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with the fiscal cliff and end of the year and everything like that. and i don't think that either harry reid or john boehner have any idea how it will come out. much less mitt romney or barack obama. so i'm not going to pretend other then it is going to be an all-consuming mess frankly i don't think the public is ready for, has any idea coming and no matter who wins the election, what happens between now and end of the year is going to -- i should say election and end of the year is going to be very dramatic for the country. >> let me refine this and maybe do fred first and then glen. sometimes doing some things to entitlements and domestic spending is pretty inevitable and those are things a democrat will have to deal with and thinking about sort of the political consequences of that and on the republican side there's got to be more revenue. and defense is going to take some kind of a hit. that's going to be pretty ugly medicine for republicans. you know, fred, if you were sitting down with harry reid and nancy pelosi and steny hoyer or, glen, if you were sitting down with mitch mcconnell o
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